First Eva Telematic Lunch

Telematic Lunch: Singapore

Welcome to the Telematic Lunch by Anam, Win Zaw, Mirei and Isaac. This project has gone through multiple amendments from the very beginning to this final video. During our brainstorming process, we had very interesting ideas that were very ambitious. Taking inspiration from A Hole in Space by Galloway and Rabinowitz, we had the idea of having a live match making session and third space dinner after. Win Zaw and Anam had the idea of a podcast with green screens exploring the idea of third-spaception (like inception, get it? haha). After much iterations, we decided on a telematic lunch, which had components of what we discussed pulled together to form this unique piece. Alas, we were the first artists who ate, played a few rounds of “never have I ever” and had a conversation with, along with an obvious cameo from a looping neon star in the outer third space on Win Zaw – a three layer third space a.k.a. Third-spaception.

As my friends and I highlighted that A Hole in Space was a huge inspiration for this piece, I would like to talk about how another piece/group, I felt, was a major contributor to our Telematic Lunch – Second Front and their Last Supper and Heist performances. I felt that what we did was heavily attributed to the exposure of Second Front’s work, in that we were all performing in the third space, had an alter-ego on board and had that very important element of improvisation in Telematic Lunch. Definitely we took it to the next level by incorporating ourselves in the piece and added layers to it with chroma-keying and ate and drank real food, which you think about now, is like eating a third space food, like that in the Last Supper. In that very similar aspect there was also an element of super-participation involved with 4 individuals interacting in their actual self in the third space instead of using animated personas which I thought was rather spectacular that we managed to incorporate in a live setting:)

Of course there goes without a doubt that we’ll face technical issues for our piece.

Space & Aligning

I was mostly involved in the adjustment of the spaces we were using to feed into our obs screen while everyone else set up the tables, chairs and cloth for the chroma-key. (you might ask why? I had a very good reason for that, I was getting the piping hot, cheesy, crust-zesty pizzas for our telematic lunch). So anyway, back to what I was doing. Adjusting the spaces was very tough albeit our previous live-test/rehearsal. Getting the angle right and distance from the phone/laptop to where we were sitting was crucial to creating a space where viewers could believe we are all sitting at the same table. We used the pizza boxes (cut into quadrants) as reference points for our alignment process. At the same time, we allowed for some misalignment to add to the fact that it was a chroma-keyed live feed but mostly because this was as best as we could align our screens.

Connections

This is where it got me frustrated. Yes, it is a given that running OBS and live feeds will cause latency to increase. However, as we inserted the live feed into the screen to make adjustments. It was such a pain because we had to wait for 20 seconds to a minute to be able to see the corrections. This further prolonged our set up time. To add on to that, there was a constant disruption to the live feed running in OBS and I had to always refresh the pages and that meant a realigning of the spaces to fit everyone in nicely. (Not turning my phone to airplane mode was also a disaster because I received 2-3 calls and this also disrupted my feed which explains multiple instances where you don’t see me in the screen:(

Here you can see an example of the disruption

Communication

One other interesting factor to our Telematic Lunch was that all of us could not see each other (except myself because I was managing the stream on OBS). This emulated the idea of being distant but at the same time connected in a third space as we explored human interaction in a collective space. The Big Kiss (by Annie Abrahams – featured strangers over the third space to kiss without any form of physical contact but largely by the aligning of their lips to make it look like they were kissing) was a very small but significant reference that contributed to the success of our Telematic lunch. As I write this, other examples came to mind. Virtual Reality is also very similar in the same way and I think this (physical interaction) is something that many manufacturers are looking into incorporating in the near future as this offers the user to interact in a real-world simulation setting.

We communicated via Skype so that everyone could play Never Have I Ever and also have a conversation together. This also allowed me to give instructions to my teammates on their body placement and gestures for our piece (as seen in the start and end of the video)

With all the technical difficulties faced, I must say that we did overcome them with much despair along the way but it was worth going through it. Because as I write this post, flashes of what was taught in class kept appearing and caused me to lose my train of thoughts. But, it is a good thing. It felt like we had experienced almost everything mentioned in class in one setting for our final project and we were able to experience first-hand how the artists felt during the course of executing their works, which more often than not, we do not get to see or read about.

This brings me to another point on improvisation and dealing with technical difficulties. Bold3rrr came to mind. Though not at all glitchy, Telematic Lunch has had multiple instances where I had to deal with our feed cutting off live and also interacting and performing. I was constantly going back and forth my phone screen and laptop and it really felt like what Jon Cates was going through, except he was much better experienced in dealing with them while I wasn’t. Much of my “panic” was due to huge latency involved. Whenever I have to refresh a page and readjust the placement of the feed, it takes 2-3 minutes just to get it back. On top of that, I am constantly hearing the feed from the live video and also our Skype conversation and this made it hard to identify which questions to reply because of the lag. So many thing were happening at once.

Nonetheless, this made me realise that this whole idea about live performance and in a third space is something like living inside your mind. Where there are constant disruptions (to your train of thoughts) and stuck in this void with endless possibilities that may or may not ruin your performance. In closing I would like to quote Liz from Second Front:

“The tech has really evolved and no one knows the boundaries and as tech emerges, it is important to keep in mind what this tech is doing and is absolutely rewiring the brain and there is a difference in how media is consumed in the social spaces online” Liz, Second Front live interview with Randall Parker, 2017.

And it is because of this – that we are only as capable as how we think, that I am confident we will see exponential progress in this field in the years to come as we are more exposed to third space performances since they are the visual articulation of our imagination.

Thank you to Mirei who did the setting up of the spaces and monitoring the collective feed on you mobile phone; Win Zaw for the awesome idea and green suit; anam for the leadership and direction as well as logistical support for making this a huge success! Many other smaller things they have done but I’ve listed the main ones here. Do view their posts to read in detail how they have contributed to this successful performance:)

Anam

Win Zaw

Mirei

At the end of it all, I felt that this was a really tiring but satisfying performance as I was able to experience the concepts Randall had gone through with us and this allowed me to better understand them and empathise with the artists who did their performances. Pizza was great, the company was awesome and I am happy with our result:) Thank you Randall for an amazing semester! Look forward to more pizzas:)

Telematic stroll – Isaac with Mirei (Singapore – Thailand)

Posted by Mirei Shirai on Saturday, 4 November 2017

So, we literally lived through 2 time zones at the same time. Mirei was having an awesome time in Thailand and I was busy with work at home. We decided to walk down the streets we are in during dusk to show the liveliness and change in the sky’s temperature over time. Obviously, thailand was more interesting to see than Singapore but perhaps that is because I am so used to how it is in Singapore all the years. And this made me realise how much I have taken for granted what is around me in my neighbourhood especially since the landscape is always changing. However, at the same time, this Facebook collaborative piece ignited my love to explore and travel. And I think there is something about doing a live piece at two very different places with different cultures that is so undermining yet impactful. It allows for two diverse cultures and the people interacting to experience the sights and sounds of both places. This opens up a whole new dimension where the mind is able to see far and beyond, perhaps driving new creative inspiration for oneself at the same time being therapeutic.

I think for the technicalities of this piece, nothing seriously wrong happened. Initially, I thought it would be good that we both talked and I’m glad we didn’t (except for parts where I commented on the video). I felt this worked out well because it allows both the user and viewers to experience the journey of cross dimensions peacefully. And yes, thankfully, Mirei’s phone held up just in time to last 15 minutes hahaha. This was fun! I’m thankful to have participated in this telematic stroll Randall:)

Research Critique: Interview with Second Front

11pm, 28th October. I was deciding if I should take a really quick shower before the interview starts or not. 11:01pm, with much itch to shower, I decided not to. And, I am so glad I did not. The interview with Second Front was so rich with passion and energy and just having that spirit to share, the members were unique in their own ways. It ended up with me wanting to hear more from them but the interview had to end and that was that.

The members started off sharing about their avatars and immediately, it amazed me. I mean, it wasn’t anything spectacular. The avatars were essentially alter egos of themselves, what they were free to identify themselves in Second Life. But, it was how they chose to represent themselves that intrigued me. Almost everyone introduced their avatars as something better and more positive rather than something unflattering. Liz was an agent, jeremy was a blue skinned alien Patrick was a cross between Steven Tyler and Andy Warhol. It all seemed to suggest that this virtual “third space” was like a safe haven for many and was offered the most freedom which ultimately sort of bring about a euphoric mood to the members when they are on Second Life.

On what it was like to perform in Second Life

Bibbe mentioned that imagination was the only limiter and what you wanted to be and do, could be accomplished with very low costs as compared to a live performance in a theatre. And this is so true. I think that, as artists, one of the facts that we have to admit is that we are arguably constrained by the big word – FUNDS. of course many do pull through this ordeal and emerge very well established but having being able to do as many things as close to what you had intended to for your art piece, means a lot to the artists.

On “virtual leakage”

When you have unlimited access (to the third space), it will set me lose – Bibbe. She goes on to say that “there is a certain dynamism between emotion and thought wherever you are when you are embodied in pixels”. What Bibbe mentioned was so interesting. I felt that she managed to encapsulate my impression of the third space so well. It felt so relatable. (And by the way, I just wanna say, she’s so cool!) This takes me to my next point on being in the virtual world.

Why does the pieces end up in abomination?

Since the third space (or if you like, Second Life) was free for all to do anything. Naturally, many people would have multiple interpretations as to what this space could be use for. Already when I first logged into Second Life, I see things like Halloween place, Gory places, Sexually suggestive places and all kinds of things that somewhat are socially agreeable by society as something as undesirable if you were to partake in real life. And this leads me to think that Second Life is a space for people to seek a harem of their inner desires. Jeremy mentioned that initially, it wasn’t clear what Second Life was for. And many immediately took this for another regular shoot ’em up site, like an RPG game. And this was one of the reasons to why Second Front decided to perform Grand Theft Avatar as a shooting (robbery) heist.

In conclusion, there were many points mentioned and it would take forever to continue on about it. But my 2 biggest takeaway was –

It brings out the bad in people don’t believe in and if you are likely to be obsessed in the virtual world, you would be in the real world as well – Bibbe
We feel things when we are in this spaces and there are (certainly) stakes – Patrick

I guess what I am trying to say is that the existence of the third space may not see detrimental effects. In that, while there could be instances where one may lose consciousness of the real world, really, there is a world of possibilities where you could explore new ideas and break existing laws to create new ones. I mean why would there be the word “possible” if there isn’t any to begin with? I think that this, not only Second Life, allows for the creation of new begins in society and this will develop as cultural norms shift over time. Cheers!

Research Critique – Second Front

When I first saw Second Front‘s art pieces, I was immediately reminded of the similarities to two popular games, SIMS and Grand Theft Auto. They all had this openness and free world with physics that defy reality.

Second Front is a group of individual who made a series of art performances on an online platform called Second Life. (I know, it’s confusing right?) In any case, what made their works unique was the collaboration between different individuals from different places coming together in a Third Space – super participation.

How is this anything special?

Firstly, being able to venture the free and open “world” allows one to try out many things that cannot be done in real life, because of the law of gravity and laws that govern us as good citizens. In Second Life, one can fly or kill without and ethical attribute. This, can both be good and bad.

You will then come to realised that this could be more good than bad. Good because you could satisfy a curiosity on what would happen is you did what could not be done in the real world, suffice to say, this satisfaction would lower the chances of someone committing offences.

However, at the extremes, this would mean the over-indulgence of the third space and marrying of the virtual world with reality. It could go both ways. One may so live in the online space so much so it feels so real or you could exercise the possibilities from the online space in the real world.

How does this apply to what we are doing in Internet Art and Culture?

I think this has everything to do with what are learning. We are in living in a society where everything is advancing so rapidly and see online platforms being a part of one’s life. Second Front confronts the nature of the open real world in Second Life. Of course their performances such as robbing a bank wasn’t just a random recording but somewhat pre-planned. From the artistic presentation to the events that occur throughout the heist definitely had to be planned out. This allows for viewers to be presented a real-world-fantasy.

If it is better improvised we will
probably do that. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. With
prerecorded performances, we can fine tune and edit out things we don’t
want the audience to see. But with improvised performances, the work
takes on a life of its own fueled by the creative energy of our players
which really shows through. Also, many times, it’s the surprises and
unintended actions that make the work really come alive!

-ALISE IBORG, A LEAP INTO THE VOID: INTERVIEW WITH SECOND FRONT, by Domenico Quaranta

In all, I think that more of such platform should be implemented to allow for more understanding of the values and occurrences in the real-world.

P.S. No matter how many times i read or look at their works, I still can’t get their names and the platform they are on right. Second Front, Second Life, so confusing haha!

Research critique: Jennicam

Prior to Jennicam, there were two other “live camera” web series (Trojan Room Coffee Camera and a fish camera) which were inspirations that Jenny borrowed from. The coffee camera allowed people in University of Cambridge (old computer laboratory) to know if there were still coffee in the dispenser so they don’t have to climb up 7 storeys for nothing. (superbly smart idea). Then there was the fish camera which literally just did like what the name suggests.

What initially struck me when I first review this piece was that it actually resembled that of a security guard watching from a panel a group of CCTVs.

And what Jennifer did was just that. An open surveillance into her personal life. What made this piece such a hit was the idea of letting the whole world into her life and without any form of pretentious factor. (or is it?)

In any case, Jenny confronted the idea of what privacy meant to her and more importantly, how significant it was to others when they watch it and think about it. She placed cameras around her house and did anything and everything she wanted to do like she would normally. And, this whole idea of doing nothing or just watching someone else do something was actually entertaining. People would tune in her broadcast while they did house chores.

And then I gathered that people were actually intrigued by what she does because firstly, they had some form of comparison as to what they were doing on a daily basis. Secondly, it invites curiosity from viewers to find out what she was doing and what she would do next. Thirdly, this allowed the viewers to get to know who Jenny was. What kind of a person she was from her behavior and the things that she does. And very often, these are all very relatable events that add up to why this was such a big thing then.

“In short, Ringley is the “Ed” of the Internet. She has dedicated her life to being an open book, a voluntarily Orwellian existence that allows strangers a peek of her at the height of passion, or more likely, sitting in front of her computer, staring blankly at the screen as she works at her real job, a freelance gig designing Web sites.” – By Jamie Allen
CNN Interactive Senior Writer

This has since inspired what we now call “V-logging” and and this time it allowed for more interaction with both viewers and users, with the vlogger talking through the screen and viewers leaving a comment. And I guess that the inquisitivity of human nature remains, only that now, the privacy that vloggers now face were greater and are subjected to more public scrutiny. This made them stronger as an individual and I guess this is something I think we would a want to take away from the live feeds we have been doing in this class as well. 🙂

Co-broadcasting – Test test for final project

Third Space Dating

So for this test we tried out third space dating. We connected via mobile and I streamed a powerpoint on my desktop with question that we needed to answer. I feel that this allowed for better interactivity and for us to understand each other.

However, there was an issue with co-broadcasting like what you see in the video below. Somehow the app doesn’t space both feeds equally. But it worked well on my phone. We’ve yet to identify the problem. In all, this set up works and we just need to decide on our final project and work out the specifics.:)

Posted by Mirei Shirai on Wednesday, 18 October 2017

Online Dating *testtest*

Posted by Isaac Chu on Wednesday, 18 October 2017

P.S.

I think that the idea generally works. We even found out that you can now stream screens on Facebook. But we still can’t co-broadcast on desktop, even after I’ve tried switching my desktop browser to a mobile version.

[H Y PE RR E S S AYY] – Colourful Digits

Colourful Digits

Internet Art. Freedom. Expressionism. Equality. Devilish. – These are topics that I could come up with when I think “Internet Art“. What. is. Internet Art?

Allow me to share what I initially thought of Internet Art. I thought that there wasn’t any meaning to it and found that it was for the most part “artistic” or “cool-in-a-different-way-kinda”. Internet Art, did not convince me that it was a thing. I refused to recognise this as an art form.

As we got deeper into the different concepts, I was still hesitant but I had a better understanding of it and made some sense out of it. Basically these are the concepts covered but listed based on my own interpretation summarised.

Internet Art: Expressionism with the freedom to use any technology available to help convey the message or art direction in an easier way for the general masses to interpret yet room to have multiple understandings based on each individual’s intellect of the world and on-goings on a digital platform which may or may not necessarily be reproduced in print or any other representations.

So, Internet Art has got a meaning. But why the revelation?

Empowerment:

Alternate media or anything other than mainstream media allowed for ideas and concepts to be publically expressed in any way deemed possible subjected to technological limitations. The best part about this limitation was that it pushed one to explore “work-arounds” to solve the problems. Videofreex was a good example with this. They used what was available to them coupled with their idea on how they feel media could be done right, made them such a huge success. This allowed people of the general masses have their voices heard and also take ownership of their own work. This empowered them.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7aMcImWHJ5tD9h6/source.gif

Ispossible:

Because of the advent of Internet Art, or for that matter, Internet, many things that were once imaginary was now possible to materialise despite it still being fictional. Before, we could not show others what they were thinking in their mind but with the advancements, we can do that. And this opens up so many possibilities that could one day exist in this physical world. Take Hole in Space by Kit Galloway & Sherrie Rabinowitz for example. People from a different time space can now communicate through a shared dimension in the third space. I would say that this was revolutionary in bringing individual ideas and having the possibility to turn them into collaborative ideas. It allowed for communities to grow in their own concepts. Think of this as the visualisation of what goes on inside the brains of many individuals as a result of a collaborative piece.

Relativity

Does it ever occur to you that you are nothing but a number? Or that you are just a speck of dust in this vast universe? Do you think you really matter? Can your voice actually be heard by others? Who are you?

I would like to draw a link between Internet Art and Relativity as a concept or theory. (Based on my own interpretations) The Third Space is like a canvas, very much like a universe (if you do believe it exists) and, we are one small little living matter drawing energy within it. This space that we can’t touch but only see is ever so powerful because it is limitless. The extent to which you can do anything is beyond imaginable. And this is how relativity falls into place. How we interpret our surroundings and how we believe we belong gives us meaning in this world. Of the past 6-7 weeks, the pieces that we were involved in gave us a footing. Take the collaborative piece we did on Flickr and on Adobe Connect for example.

I felt like we were more than just numbers and specks of dust. There were people viewing and/or listening to what we put out and that felt wonderful. Using OBS to broadcast and to interact or involve others further allowed me to discover myself.

Cross streaming and FB live opened further a world of possibilities of interaction and based on the history of Internet Art and Culture, it will challenge the notion of what freedom of speech actually means and the values and cultures that comes with it. Social Broadcasting, as an extension of Hole in Space, is an epitome of what to expect of The Third Space. What Win Zaw and I initially came up with was to play charades but soon was hit by the limitation of bandwidth. We then thought of doing a live portrait collective by interviewing random people we find around the school. The concept worked but the hardware was the limitation.

And, this made me realise, like what I mentioned in my earlier posts, that concepts had remained stagnant while technology improved, may not be true afterall. I would like to believe that, Internet Art and Culture’s concepts did evolve with the shift in cultures and so did technology. However, technology, perhaps, was not improving fast enough to support our ideas. Maybe, this whole Third Space concept, is all about the pursuit of what never is. And that because of this, we drive the advancements in technology we constantly see.

Now What?

But amongst all these concepts and ideas, one thing remains evident. A boundless space for the manifestation of creativity. Then again, because of the nature of Internet Art, very often, there is no particular set boundary as to what Internet Art is defined by and thus, this draws variation in opinions of an artwork. Which, therefore is debatable.

Inspirations/references:
https://hyperallergic.com/263538/best-of-2015-our-top-10-works-of-internet-art/
http://www.complex.com/style/2013/04/25-internet-artists-you-need-to-know/an-xiao
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20140326-how-has-the-internet-changed-art

Portray. by Win Saw & Isaac

Portray.

This is a collective interactive online artwork by Win Saw and Isaac.

What is this piece about?

We intend to find out how human to human communication exists with the use of a medium that takes users into the third space and how willing are users to participate in making an art piece.

The first test was the connection within the school. There was a 20 second lag but other than that, everything worked like how we hope it would. The only other issue is that my phone can’t film FB live in landscape mode. However, we can work around this by rotating the screen that we use to capture the live feed in OBS. So that’s all good:)

Stay tuned for more updates on the final portrait piece!

Hi. I'm testing

Posted by Win Zaw on Wednesday, 20 September 2017

Isaac’s live video

What went down on the actual day?

Best of Win Zaw’s video
https://www.facebook.com/wzaw2/videos/1546681358703840/

Best of Isaac’s video

Portray by Win Zaw and I.

Posted by Isaac Chu on Thursday, 21 September 2017

“The World’s First Collaborative Sentence” – How long is it exactly?

How long is it exactly?

By now, it would have been done with several trips around the earth. The world’s longest collaborative sentence is a very intriguing internet artwork by Douglas Davis in 1994. A year after I entered this world.
What this artwork is, is probably the conceptualisation of Super Participation using a digital/online platform. In my opinion, the onset of exponential growth of the World Wide Web was portrayed through this art piece. And it defines it really really well.

It shows us a definitive way of how people will behave behind a screen It tells us how we as users, as humans, would adapt to this non-existent yet ever changing environment. It is a window to the 21st Century. Which, is pretty epic if you think about it.

I didn’t think of this when I first saw this piece initially. My initial impression was that this was gibberish, that this is just nonsensical. Like, there isn’t any meaning to the sentences. However, when I revisited the site a few more times, it dawned on me the underlying message of The World’s First Collaborative Sentence. It didn’t matter how long the sentence was. What mattered was what were the sentences.

Undoubtedly, Davis must have faced some difficulties along the way and here are some hints as to what they were.

“it was probably build in java or php and they need to update the server.”
– Francesco of New York

The next one is a long one so brace for it.

“Their work involved not only updating servers and running legacy browsers on vintage computer systems, but also considering theoretical and ethical aspects of the conservation, conducting interviews with the original programmer to document what the lost software did, writing the new code for the work, addressing a host of thorny technical issues and documenting the results.”
– Restoring ‘The World’s First Collaborative Sentence’, Michael Connor

From what we see, the issues faced, with modern technology involved, was already so complicated. One could only imagine how much was put into this work by Davis. I shall not delve into the whole technicalities of his work. Rather, I want to discuss about how this paved the way for future big-scaled collaborative works across the world, that would otherwise not be able to be in existence if not for the WWW. More importantly, it also tells us how distance didn’t matter. Communication and the urge or wanting/willingness to communicate does.

The fact that his work was being preserved and restored by Whitney Museum and people still being involved and how we cherish such things tells us something very interesting about human to human interaction and how the medium we use to communicate with one another, shapes or affects the final outcome or impression made upon the other individual. I use to not believe that the third space was something existential in this physical world but now. Now, I think it does. But mind me, it is but a subset of the conscientious personification of the alter ego that exists within us, very much like how our personalities exists but are not visible or something you can touch. It is just expressed.

Thoroughly enjoyed this piece.

Links and references:

http://rhizome.org/editorial/2013/jun/12/restoring-douglas-davis-collaborative-sentence/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304800460_Analysing_’Super-Participation’_in_Online_Third_Spaces

http://ifilnova.pt/file/uploads/3412f3599cf326087355d5c02149cfea.pdf

Desktop mise en scene – my experience on OBS

(click on image to view live video)

The other world

INITIAL IDEA
My initial idea was to interact with my other quadrants. I pre-recorded one quadrant and wanted to use it as a base to refer to when I interact. (see top left video). The idea was to experiment and see myself exist in two time dimensions, meaning one when I was eating and the other 3, walking to class. But I failed to get it up live. Luckily, I hit the record button on OBS so I can show you guys what I was doing.

In any case, I did another live feed of myself mimicking myself eating as the base video (top left quadrant). I altered the looks of the other 3 feeds (eyes, mouth, face) and added delay to all of them. I then acted similarly to the base video but not always as I wanted to add an intentional “live delay”.

I am very interested in the idea of time-space dimension and wanted to find out what it feels like to live in between the then, the now and the the the the .. (get the pun? haha) Ever since young, I have never really been able to look at the movement of my eyes whenever I looked at the mirror. Doing this presented me the opportunity to try it out and see how my eyes move and watch it “real-time”.

There are many speculations on time travel and other dimensions that may exist and I am always intrigued by all of this sci-fi topics. I believe that we are able to harness the ability to control time (not too certain about space) and I think being able to do so live in a 2 dimensional space means something phenomenal. Like, I think that this can really be a possibility in the near future! Typing this out is already so exciting!

DIFFICULTY
The difficulty I faced was getting the video to go live, it took so long. I finally found out that my wifi router had some issues and when I connected to my neighbour’s router, I could do it. (OMG, cries). I did save the video but it was saved in flv so I’m trying to get it converted and will update it in this post when its done!

UPDATE:

Here’s the original live feed I tried to go live with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGfEC3gc3Q